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		<title>The Dark Knight, Continued</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a previous post, Saketh argues that the Joker acts without a plan, simply doing without any attachment to the results. Clearly the Joker lacks any moral framework. An interesting question arose in the Comments section:
Can complete detachment exist when there is no moral framework?
To answer this question, we must first distinguish between two types [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a <a href="http://www.swadharma.org/2008/12/29/the-dark-knight/">previous post</a>, Saketh argues that the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker" target="_blank" title="Wikipedia: Joker" style="padding-bottom: 2px; border-bottom: 1px dotted #DD0000" >Joker</a> acts without a plan, simply <em>doing</em> without any attachment to the results. Clearly the Joker lacks any moral framework. An interesting question arose in <a href="http://www.swadharma.org/2008/12/29/the-dark-knight/#comment-28">the Comments section</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Can complete detachment exist when there is no moral framework?</p></blockquote>
<p>To answer this question, we must first distinguish between two types of detachment in this example:</p>
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<li>Detachment from the <em>fruits of one&#8217;s</em> <em>actions.</em></li>
<li>Action without a plan, which is equivalent to detachment from <em>purpose </em>(if there exists a purpose, by definition there must exist a goal, and a goal is the most basic plan possible).</li>
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<p>Detachment from the fruits of one&#8217;s actions is <em>one</em> part of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu" target="_blank" title="Wikipedia: Hindu" style="padding-bottom: 2px; border-bottom: 1px dotted #DD0000" >Hindu</a> concept of detachment. As <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna" target="_blank" title="Wikipedia: Krishna" style="padding-bottom: 2px; border-bottom: 1px dotted #DD0000" >Krishna</a> tells <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arjuna" target="_blank" title="Wikipedia: Arjuna" style="padding-bottom: 2px; border-bottom: 1px dotted #DD0000" >Arjuna</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>You have a right to perform your prescribed duty, <strong>but you are not entitled to the fruits of action</strong>. Never consider yourself the cause of the results of your activities, and never be attached to not doing your duty.(<em>Bhagavad Gita</em>, 2.47, emphasis added)</p></blockquote>
<p>While this type of detachment typically receives the most attention, it is not enough:</p>
<blockquote><p>Not by merely abstaining from work can one achieve freedom from reaction, <strong>nor by renunciation alone can one attain perfection</strong>. (<em>Bhagavad Gita</em>, 3.4, emphasis added)</p></blockquote>
<p>In fact, Krishna explicitly warns Arjuna against detachment from fruitive action combined with detachment from purpose:</p>
<blockquote><p>That action which is regulated, without attachment, like or dislike and done without desiring the result                is said to be of goodness. But that work which is done in hot pursuit, identified                with the material, or again is done with a lot of                pressure; that is said to be in the mode of passion. But that work which is after attachment, <strong>is                destructive, causes distress and has no regard for the                consequences</strong> or is begun being mistaken about ones own                capacity; that is said to be of ignorance. (<em>Bhagavad Gita</em>, 18.23-25, emphasis added)</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, detachment in Hinduism has two components: <em>detachment from fruitive action</em> guided by <em>attachment to purpose</em>. Of course, any attachment to purpose will not do. Purpose must be aligned with duty &#8212; that is, <em>dharma</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>But with all these activities must without doubt,                <strong>performing them out of duty</strong>, the association with                their results be given up; that, o son of                Prithâ, is My last and best word on it. (<em>Bhagavad Gita</em>, 18.6, emphasis added)</p></blockquote>
<p>Therefore, if we define detachment as detachment from fruitive action guided by attachment to duty, I argue that the answer to our original question is a resounding &#8220;no&#8221;.</p>
<p>So in what sense is the Joker attached?</p>
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<li><strong>Detachment from fruitive action.</strong> I do not think the Joker is detached from the fruits of his actions at all. Consider his quote &#8220;If you are good at something, never do it for free&#8221; &#8212; this is hardly what we would expect to hear from someone who performs actions without any hope of gain. Even the rhetorical climax that Saketh cites is an example of the Joker&#8217;s attachment to fruitive action &#8212; he gets <em>pleasure</em> out of showing others the futility of their plans.</li>
<li><strong>Detachment from duty. </strong>While the Joker is not detached from purpose &#8212; he cannot possibly be attached to fruitive action and detached from purpose &#8212; purpose and duty are clearly not aligned since his action lacks morality.</li>
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<p>But this is attachment to fruitive action guided by detachment from duty &#8212; the <em>exact opposite</em> of detachment in Hinduism. Therein lies the horror of the Joker&#8217;s character: he is truly the ultimate villain.</p>


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